A Hydrogen Generator You Can Build
Build Your Own Water Powered Car
Build Your Own
Hydrogen & Oxygen Generator
- That does not use brute-force electrolysis -
Run Your Car On Tap Water! *
Build a Hydrogen Powered Car
* A cannister, under the hood, containing electrodes (about 1.5 mm apart), is filled with water. The water is separated into hydrogen and oxygen, on demand, when the engine is started, and the hydrogen produced is directed into the engine through the air intake, which may or may not be mixed with gasoline, sprayed in, also. The hydrogen, a gas, explodes, completely, 100%, not just some small percentage like liquid gasoline or diesel.
Gasoline, the liquid, does not explode in your engine, either. Liquid gasoline, or diesel, is sprayed into the engine. Of that, the small amount that vaporizes off the surface, (abt. 10-15%?) explodes with the force needed to move the pistons and turn the crankshaft. Of that small percentage which vaporizes and produces energy, 65% is wasted as heat. Additional small percentages are lost in the drive train, etc. Most of the gasoline, still a liquid, is now hot enough to vaporize, react chemically (the oxygen has been consumed, even creating carbon monoxide), cool, and go out the tail-pipe as smog: soot, - toxic air pollution - stuff that poisons us and overheats our planet. Thank you "big oil"! ... If interested, read
How The Oil Co's First Took Over
A.K.A. The Oil Age That Never Should Have Been
A Better Hydrogen Generator
Instead of brute-force electrolysis, the traditional "sledge-hammer" approach, small, tuned, pulses are generated, like a tuning fork shatters a wine glass, with very little effort, not "free energy", but smart, elegant, and cheap; instead of brute-force, crude, and expensive.
from Stanley Meyer's project:
"The electrodes are vibrated with a 0.5 to 5 amp electrical pulse (depending on your speed and acceleration) which breaks 2(H2O) => 2H2 + O2. When the pressure reaches say 30-60 psi, you turn the key and go. When you step on the pedal, you send more energy to the electrodes, and thus more vapor to the cylinders; i.e. fuel vapor on demand."
from Dave Lawton
"There is a very simple way to doing this WHOLE water powered system on 0.5 Amp!"
An extract from the lecture given by Admiral Sir Anthony Griffin to the Maritime Division of the Southampton Institute, Warsash, UK, Sept. of 1993:
"Electrical power with opposite polarities is applied in pulses to the inner and outer cylinders and at a power of 10 watts, i.e. 5 volts at 2 amps. A considerable quantity of gas immediately accumulates in the top of the vessel and, within 10 seconds, reaches a pressure of about 10 pounds per square inch." or . . . apply "very high voltage (20,000+) pulses at a particular frequency, within positively and negatively charged voltage zones, at a very low current of less than 1 milliamp. The effect is ... the covalent bonds between the hydrogen and oxygen atoms are broken and the two gases separated."
Ronn Motors, Dennis Klein, Francisco Pacheco, Stanley Meyer, Daniel Dingel and others have all done it with their designs
see the history of Water Powered Cars
Example: Dennis Klein went 100 miles on 4 oz of water. (25 mi./oz.) We should be able to go at least 1 or 2 mi on an oz. of gasoline, don't you think! (=128 mpg or =256mpg) We don't because it has not been converted to a gas first. See our pages here on super carburetors. [by the way, 1 gal. = 128 fluid oz. ! . . and . . . Anyone who remembers their basic chemistry knows that 1 gallon of a liquid equates to about 1,000 gallons of it as a gas - in the gaseous state. :: 1 gal of water = around 1000 gal of hydrogen gas at normal room temp. and pressure.]
Breaking News Release:
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Ronn Motor Company has received its first order for 10 units from Eco Luxury Motorsports. Each car is expected to carry a retail price of $250,000, plus additional amounts for any special customization ordered by the customer. This will represent potentially $2,000,000 of new revenue to Ronn Motors. The cars will be distributed to purchasers in the Miami/Ft. Lauderdale, FL and Atlanta, GA markets. The first of the newly manufactured units is expected to be delivered in third quarter of 2010, shortly after the commencement of full scale production in Ronn Motor's new 80,000 square foot manufacturing facility in Marble Falls, Texas, the result of a unique public-private partnership between Ronn Motors and the Economic Development Corporation for the City of Marble Falls, Texas.
Ronn Motors: The Scorpion
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450 hp, 0 to 60 in 3.5 seconds, a top speed of 200 mph, gets 40 mpg.
Unlike with a hydrogen fuel cell car, the Scorpion's "hydrogen on demand" system wouldn't require a high-pressure hydrogen storage tank. Nor would a driver need to find and fill up at a hydrogen fueling station.
Instead, electricity from the Scorpion's alternator sends an electric charge through the water in a storage tank, fracturing molecules and releasing hydrogen, which is injected into the motor, explained Ronn Maxwell, CEO of Ronn Motor in Horseshoe Bay, Texas.
[Suggestion, just build the cannister and enough parts of the controller to generate the ultra sound frequency. Then, getting it to work, build the rest of the controller]
Daniel Dingel has run his car(s) for a number of years totally on water, also Dennis Klein has run his car on water with and without a gasoline "supplement" -- His "water mileage" was about 25 miles per ounce without any gas supplement. (3000+ mpg!) He was working with the military and the state of Tennessee
One can also see the Orion Project's work on repeating Stanley Meyer's success
Stanley Meyer was killed, now, May 13th 2010, the O.P. is under attack, being suppressed!
read about it!
The text, below, sent from an anonymous individual was edited slightly for better reading. The following is his/her words and drawings, which has been given into the public domain.
Everyone should rt. click on the diagrams to view and download or print them, and also “cut and paste” the text they want into a file and, perhaps, print that also.
Spirit of Ma'at LLC
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It is suggested you try this out to begin with on a second vehicle you own, one that you don't need to live with everyday, until you perfect this technology.
In putting these plans into operation, you will be making use of your entire existing system except for the fuel tank and the catalytic converter.

a collection of youtube videos on pulse width modulators
The unit is called an 'EFIE' (EFIE stands for Electronic Fuel Injection Enhancer). They are very simple devices. If required, the EFIE is designed to modify the signal your cars' computer receives to adjust gasoline usage.
The Plan
Build and install a low-cost alternative method for running your vehicle (internal combustion engine) on tap water, using off-the-shelf components.
This is supposed to be an efficient way to convert ordinary tap water into gaseous hydrogen and oxygen, and then burn these vapors in the engine, instead of gasoline.
This "minisystem" runs easily from your existing battery and electrical system, and it plugs into your carburetor [Fuel Injectors] with simple off-the-shelf fittings.
You will be installing a plastic water tank, a control circuit, a reaction chamber, a hi-pressure carb/FI fitting, and 3 gauges, and then hooking into your existing carb/FI. [Fuel Injectors]
The simplicity comes from its being an "on-demand" system requiring no fancy storage or plumbing. You crank the gas pedal or throttle, and you electrically [/sonicly] create more vapor for immediate consumption, on demand; low-high flow rate as needed, from idle to maximum power. The change is that you are using tap water as fuel, instead of the traditional petroleum-based fuel.
H2O --> H2 + O2
Frequently Asked Questions
Q: How does it qualify as "free energy"?
A: If you're paying someone for the water you use, then it is not strictly free. But it's close enough.
Q: Is it safe?
A: It is safer than running on fossil fuel. You are no longer choking on your own emissions (health-wise). You are no longer running the extreme risk of a gasoline fire or explosion! Additionally, you will be installing a few simple safety devices, using current automotive standards.
To put it another way, Hydrogen is just as explosive as Gasoline but nothing that is left over, does any harm to the environment: When hydrogen 'burns' it becomes pure water!
H2 + O2 --> H2O ( Technically, 2 molecules of hydrogen + 1 molecule of oxygen --> 2 molecules of water )
Q: What kind of performance can I expect?
A: Properly adjusted, your modified vapor-only fuel system will run cooler, and at a modestly higher power level. The mileage performance expected from this design ranges from 50-300 mpg (of water), depending on your adjusting skills.
Q: Can I do the modification myself?
A: Why not? If you don't have any mechanical skills, and you know someone with basic mechanical and/or electrical skills, you can even delegate some of the construction. If you are using a fuel-injected engine, you may have to get a mechanic's opinion. (There will have to be an adapter inserted into the fuel-injection system, just as you would have to do if you were going to run on propane, hydrogen, or natural gas. Spirit of Ma'at Ed.)
Q: What is the environmental impact that my vehicle will have?
A: It will be producing H20 (water vapor). Hence, it will be cleaning the environment, rather than dumping nauseous toxins into it. Plus you will be helping to save our dwindling supply of atmospheric oxygen. You can also help those around you do the same thing - as long as they have no stock in oil companies to protect - and don't threaten you.
Q: Isn't this really a steam engine?
A: No. Really. Exceedingly high temperature and pressure are not used. This is strictly an internal-combustion engine (burning hydrogen) with residual water-vapor (remember, the engine runs cooler than it did with gasoline) in the exhaust as a by-product.
Read This
There are a few things you should remember about gasoline:
Gasoline poisons the atmosphere and, it is very toxic and dangerous!
Gasoline versus Water
Most people are unaware that "internal combustion" is defined as "a thermo-vapor process" — as in "no liquid in the reaction." Most of the gasoline in a standard internal combustion engine is actually consumed, (cooked, and finally, broken down) in the catalytic converter after the fuel has been not-so-burnt in the engine. Sadly, this means that most of the fuel we use in this way is used only to cool down the combustion process, a pollution-ridden and inefficient means of doing that.
How It Works
Water is pumped as needed to replenish and maintain the liquid level in the chamber. The electrodes are vibrated with a 0.5-5A electrical pulse which breaks 2(H2O) => 2H2 + O2. When the pressure reaches say 30-60 psi, you turn the key and go. You step on the pedal, you send more energy to the electrodes, and thus more vapor to the cylinders; i.e. fuel vapor on demand.
You set the idle max-flow rate to get the most efficient use of power, and you're off to the races.
In the big picture, your energy is coming from the tap water in an open system, as the latent energy in the water is enough to power the engine and hence drive the alternator and whatever belt-driven accessories. And the alternator is efficient enough to run the various electrical loads (10 - 20 amps), including the additional low current to run this vapor reaction. No extra batteries are required.
the Stanley Meyer generatorthe radio frequency = 20,000 cps The Orion Project is trying to buy his equipment and recreate Stan's success there are many youtube videos on several inventors who have succeeded: Daniel Dingel, from the Philippines Read about and see Fox News broadcast from youtube (welding torch + car fuel): Denny Klein's hydrogen generator and hydrogen torch - in Clearwater, Florida read the article and patent on the Pacheco Generator |
electrical pulses, not electrolysisWhere normal water electrolysis requires the passage of current measured in amps, this cell achieves the same effect in milliamps. Furthermore, ordinary tap water requires the addition of an electrolyte such as sulphuric acid to aid current conduction with the standard electrolysis approach; these cells function at greatest efficiency with plain tap water. According to the witnesses, the most startling aspect of the Meyer cell was that it remained cold, even after hours of gas production. Meyer's experiments, which he seems to be able to perform to order, have earned him a series of US patents granted under Section 101. The granting of a patent under this section is dependent on a successful demonstration of the invention to a Patent Review Board. Meyer's cell seems to have many of the attributes of an electrolytic cell except that it functions at high voltage, low current rather than the other way around. Construction is unremarkable. The electrodes --- referred to as "excitors" by Meyer --- are made from parallel A witness team of independent UK scientifc observers testified that US inventor Stanley Meyer successfully decomposed ordinary tap water into constituent elements through a combination of high, pulsed voltage using an average current measured only in milliamps. Reported gas evolution was enough to sustain a hydrogen /oxygen flame which instantly melted steel. (How Denny Klein got started - see video) "We did notice that the water at the top of the cell slowly became discolored with a pale cream and dark brown precipitate, almost certainly the effects of the chlorine in the heavily chlorinated tap water..." ... "We clearly saw how increasing and decreasing the voltage is used to control gas production. We saw how gas generation ceased and then began again instantly as the voltage driving circuit was switched off and then on again." The use of a high voltage spike alone (1500 volts+), without the current being delivered through the liquid, will not cause the disassociation to take place. Once Stan's unit was made to begin breakdown (which takes 6 to 8 seconds) he was able to reduce both current and voltage to miniscule proportions. There are two primary frequencies that produce the best results. They are: 14,372 Hz and 43,430 Hz. The former is about 50% more efficient, but it seems that just about any frequency between 9 KHz and 143,762 KHz works quite well. (1) This is because the nature of the wave form ( a spike ) is rich in harmonics and one of them is bound to be close to one of the two primary frequencies. Meyer was apparently eating dinner at a Grove City OH restaurant, when it is reported that he jumped up from the table, yelled that he'd been poisoned", and rushed out into the parking lot, where he collapsed and died. Theives came a week later and stole the the dune buggy and all of his experimental equipment, according to his twin brother, Stephen. Stan said while he was alive, that he was threatened many times and would not sell out to Arab Oil Corp`s. The Military was going to use this technology in their tanks, jeeps, etc. He had patents on his invention and was ready for production. Only $1,500 to equip your car! See the Videos above. No gasoline, just water. Stanley said he was offered a billion dollars from an Arab to basically shelf his idea. Stan said, "No". |
STEP BY STEP CONSTRUCTION
OVERVIEW - Here is the suggested sequence of steps:
1. Install the CHT (or EGT) gauge and measure your current operating temp range (gasoline), for comparison.
2. Build and test the controller to verify the pulse output.
3. Build the reaction chamber and test it with the controller (i.e pressure out).
4. Install the tank, controller, chamber, and pressure fittings.
5. Run engine and adjust the control circuit as necessary for best performance.
6. Install stainless steel valves and get the pistons/cylinders coated with ceramic.
[editor's note: don't bother. Given Daniel Dingel (Stanley Meyer, Dennis Klein, ...) and all the other inventors and designs out there - none of them suggest or speak of it. Besides, get it working first.
Keep it simple.]
7. Dump the now pointless catalytic converter and, if your exaust pipe is
not stainless steel already, replace it with stainless steel pipe sections.
YOU WILL NEED
plastic water tank with pump and level sensor.
control circuit, wiring, connectors, and epoxy.
reaction chamber with electrodes and fittings.
3/8" stainless steel flex-tubing, fittings and clamps.
carb/FI vapor-pressure fitting kit. - pressure, CHT (or EGT), & level gauges.
stainless steel valves.
copper mesh junction.
ceramic surface treatment for cylinders & pistons.
stainless steel or ceramic treated exhaust assembly.
BASIC TOOLS
drill, screwdriver and pliers
hole cutter
wire-wrap, solder-iron and clippers
DVM and oscilloscope.
REACTION CHAMBER
Construct as shown in the diagram. Use a section of 4" PVC waste pipe with a threaded screw-cap fitting on one end and a standard end-cap at the other. Make sure to drill-and-epoxy or tap threads thru the PVC components for all fittings. Set and control the water level in the chamber so that it well submerses the pipe electrodes; yet leave some headroom to build up the hydrogen/oxygen vapor pressure. Use stainless steel wires inside the chamber (fig.s 2&5) or otherwise use a protective coating; use insulated wires outside. Ensure that the epoxy perfects the seal, or otherwise lay down a bead of water-proof silicone that can hold pressure.
The screw fitting may require soft silicone sealant, or a gasket; its purpose is to hold pressure and allow periodic inspection of the electrodes. No leaks, no problems. Make sure you get a symmetric 1-5mm gap between the 2 stainless steel pipes. The referenced literature suggests that the closer to 1 or 2 mm you get, the better. You will want to get your chamber level sensor verified before you epoxy the cap on.
Make your solder connections at the wire/electrode junctions nice, smooth, and solid; then apply a water-proof coating, e.g. the epoxy you use for joining the pipes to the screw cap. This epoxy must be waterproof and be capable of holding metal to plastic under pressure. You will want to get your chamber level sensor verified before you epoxy the cap on.
CONTROL CIRCUIT
The diagrams show a simple circuit [to an electrician] to control and drive this mini-system. You are going to make a 'square-pulse' signal that 'plays' the electrodes like a tuning fork; which you can watch on an oscilloscope. The premise given by the literature is: the faster you want do go down the road, the 'fatter' you make the pulses going into the reaction chamber. Duty cycle will vary with the throttle in the vicinity of 90%MARK 10%SPACE (OFF/ON).
There is nothing sacred about how the pulse waveform is generated; there are many ways to generate pulses, and the attached diagrams show a few. The NE555-circuit approach (see diagrams) is from the referenced patent. The output switching transistor must be rated for 1-5 amps @ 12VDC (in saturation).
Go with a plan that works for you or your friendly neighborhood technoid or mechanic, and go get all the circuit elements from your local electronics store, such as Radio-Shack or Circuits-R-Us, including the circuit board, IC sockets, and enclosure/box.
DigiKey has better selection, service, and knowledge; plus they have no minimum order. Be sure to use a circuit board with a built-in ground plane, and to accommodate room for mounting 2 or 3 of the gauges. Mounting the reaction chamber in the engine compartment will require running a stub to your pressure gauge where you can watch it.
You can easily make 30-gauge wire-wrap connections between the socket pins and thru-hole discrete components having wire leads. Also make sure to get spec sheets on any IC you use. More details of the best circuits to use will be announced pending prototype testing. You will want to get your chamber level sensor verified before you epoxy the cap on.
Throttle Control
If you have a throttle position sensor, you should be able to access the signal from the sensor itself OR from the computer connector. This signal is input to the circuit as the primary control (i.e. throttle level = pulse width = vapor rate).
If you don't have such a signal available, you will have to rig a rotary POT (variable resistor) to the gas linkage (i.e. coupled to something at the gas pedal or throttle cable running to the carb or FI. If you make the attachment at the carb/FI, be sure to use a POT that can handle the engine temp cycles. Don't use a cheezy-cheapy POT; get one rated for long life and mechanical wear; mount it securely to something sturdy and stationary that will not fall apart when you step on the gas.
Control Range. The full throttle RANGE (idle-max) MUST control the vapor rate, i.e. pulse-width (duty). The resistor values at the throttle signal must allow the throttle signal voltage, say 1-4 Volt swing, to drive the VAPOR RATE. You will be using this voltage swing to generate a 10% ON 'square' pulse. The patent implies using a 'resonant' pulse in the 10-250 KHz frequency range; but it is not explicitly stated so.
In this circuit, you will simply tune to whatever frequency makes the most efficient vapor conversion. You will have to get into the specs for each IC you use, to insure you connect the right pins to the right wires, to control the frequency and pulse width. You can use spare sockets to try out different discrete component values. Just keep the ones that are spec-compatible in the circuit, and get the job done.
You crank up the throttle signal and put more electrical energy (fatter pulses) into the electrodes; verify you can get 10% duty on the scope (2 - 100 usec on the horizontal time-base). Your averaging DVM will display the 90%-10% DC voltage across the output transistor (Vce or Vds or Output to Ground). Set and connect DVM in the supply current and measure .5 - 5 amps, without blowing the DVM fuse. Now verify that you got everything you wanted.
Verify your wiring connections using your DVM as a continuity detector. Check your wiring 1 at a time and yellow line your final schematic as you go. You can best use board-mount miniature POTs for anything you want to set-and-forget. The LEDs are there to give you a quick visual check of normal vs abnormal operation of your new creation. You will want to get your chamber level sensor verified before you epoxy the cap on.
CARB/FI CONNECTION
The diagrams also show that fittings are required to the carb/FI l. There are ready-made kits (such as by Impco) available for making your pressure fittings to the carburetor or fuel-injector as the case may be. You will necessarily be sealing the built-in vents and making a 1-way air-intake.
The copper mesh comprises the inadvertent backfire' protection for the reaction chamber. Make sure that all vapor/duct junctions are air-tight and holding full pressure without leakage. Your new 'system' is considered successful and properly adjusted when you get the full power range at lower temp and minimum vapor flow without blowing the pressure safety valve.
CHT (or EGT)
Monitor your engine temp with the CHT (cylinder head temp) or EGT (exhaust gas temp) instead of your original engine temp indicator (if any). Your existing gauge is too slow for this application and will not warn you against overheating until after you have burnt something. Make sure that your engine runs no hotter than in the gasoline arrangement. VDO makes a CHT gauge with a platinum sensor that fits under your spark plug against the cylinder head (make sure it is really clean before you re-install your spark plug (as this is also an electrical ground).
ENGINE/EXHAUST TREATMENT
Get the valves replaced with stainless steel ones and get the pistons/cylinders ceramic-treated ASAP when you have successfully converted and run your new creation. Do not delay as these items will rust, either by sheer use or by neglect (i.e. letting it sit). You could make max use of your current exhaust system by using it with your new deal until it rusts through, then have your mechanic or welder friend to fit a stainless steel exhaust pipe (no catalytic converter is required). But it could be easier and cheaper to send your existing exhaust system out for the ceramic treatment, and then simply re-attach it to the exhaust ports.
GENERAL
1. Do not discard or remove any of the old gasoline setup components, e.g. tank, carb/FI, catalytic converter, unless necessary. Better to always leave an easy way to revert back to something that at least runs, just in case. Some people are leaving their gasoline setup completely intact, and switching back and forth at will, just to have a backup plan.
2. Set your throttle circuit so that you get minimum vapor flow at idle, and maximum vapor flow at full power without blowing the pressure relief valve. In this way, you control how 'lean' your mixture is by the strength of the pulse (i.e. "fatness" at the optimum pulse frequency).
3. If you just don't get enough power (at any throttle setting), it means that you need to (1) change the pulse frequency, (2) change the gap between the electrodes, (3) change the size (bigger) electrodes, or (4) make a higher output pulse voltage (last resort). Always use an output transistor, such as a MOSFET, that is rated for the voltage and current you need to get the job done. OK so you might have to play around with it some. Isn't that where all the Fun is anyhow?
4. If you get any engine knock our loud combustions (not compensated by adjusting the timing), it means that you need to install an additional coil in the chamber, and drive the coil with an additional pulse signal (about 19 Hz on the .1sec time base). Here, you will be slowing down the burn rate just enough so that the vapors burn thru out the power stroke of the piston. Be sure to include a board-mount POT to set the correct strength of this 2nd pulse signal into the coil. This is a stainless steel coil of about 1500 turns (thin wire) that you can arrange like a donut around the center pipe (but NOT touching either electrode), directly over the circular 1-5mm gap. You want no knocking at any power/throttle setting; smooth power only, but also no excess hydrogen leftover from the combustion.
5. Build the canister(s) as tall as you can without compromising your ability to mount them conveniently near the dash panel, or in the engine compartment, as the case may be. This way, you can always make the electrodes bigger, if necessary without undue hardship. Remember that anything in the engine compartment should be mounted in a bullet-proof, vibration and temperature tolerant fashion.
6. If you have to drill a thru-hole for wiring or plumbing thru metal, make sure to also install a grommet for protection against chafing. Always watch your chamber pressure range from IDLE (15-25 psi) - FULL POWER (30-60 psi). Set your safety-pressure relief-valve to 75 psi and make sure it's rated for much higher.
7. Shut OFF the power switch and pull over if there is any malfunction of the system. Your engine will last longest when it still develops FULL POWER+ at some minimum temperature that we are sure you can find, by leaning back the Royal Vapor Flow and/or by making use of the water-vapor cooling technique. Keep good mpg performance records, and periodic maintenance/inspection. Keep it clean; save some money; clean the air; heal the planet; happy motoring; tell a friend; enjoy your freedom and self-empowerment.
8. There lacks documented material for perfecting this vapor system thru a fuel injector; there may be some details you will discover on your own as working prototypes progress. For example, you may be restricted to inject the hydrogen/oxygen vapor without any water vapor, as it may rust the injectors. If engine temp and CHT is a problem, then you will want to re-think your plan, e.g. ceramic-coating the injectors. There is always "replacing the FI system with a Carb."
9. If you install the water-vapor system (for lower operating temp/stress), you will want to lean the mixture (vapor/air) for minimum vapor flow rate to achieve any given throttle position (idle - max). Make sure that you get a minimum flow for IDLE and a modestly sufficient flow for MAX, that does the cooling job without killing the combustion.
10. If you cannot find stainless steel pipe combinations that yield the 1-5mm gap, you can always regress back to alternating plates of +/- electrodes.
11. If you are concerned about the water freezing in your system, you can (a) add some 98% isopropyl alcohol and re-adjust the pulse frequency accordingly; or (b) install some electric heating coils.
REFERENCES
*Stephen Chambers 'Apparatus for Producing Orthohydrogen and/or
*Parahydrogen' US Patent 6126794, uspto.gov
*Stanley Meyer 'Method for the Production of a Fuel Gas' US Patent 4936961,
*spto.gov
*Creative Science & Research, 'Fuel From Water', fuelless.com
*Carl Cella "A Water-Fuelled Car" Nexus Magazine Oct-Nov 1996
*Peter Lindemann "Where in the World is All the Free Energy", free-energy.cc
*George Wiseman "The Gas-Saver and HyCO Series" eagle-research.com
*C. Michael Holler "The Dromedary Newsletter" and "SuperCarb Techniques"
*Stephen Chambers "Prototype Vapor Fuel System" xogen.com
2 videos
Daniel DingelHe has been running his car on 100% hydrogen He has never tried any mixture of gas and water - he does not think it is possible. His car consumes about 1 quart (liter) per hour, he says. Conservatively 1 gal. should take you 120 to 240 miles? (30 to 60 mph) That makes water a lot better than gasoline on volume alone, not to mention price! Here, he takes off the cover of his 'black box' and you can see the wire mesh and steam coming out. He is said to have converted 100 cars to run on water. getting serious about this, you should read |
A.K.A. Pulse Width Modulator
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We have not checked it out beyond the home page, but the panacea-bocaf.org
web site seems to be trying also to freely provide information on how to build your own - or pay as little as possible - for a hydrogen generator.
many more videos:
UTube videos on building your own water to hydrogen generator / HHO Water Fuel
Other Options:
Magnetism:
There, finally, seems to be some significant progress toward powering a generator with a magnet motor. This goes a long way toward reducing the amount of battery storage needed to power an electric motor/vehicle.
see A Few Magnet Motors
Vaporization:
"During our interview the eager young inventor revealed how he had discovered his fuel system by accident; "I was messing around with a lawn-mower when I accidentally knocked a hole in its fuel tank. I put a vacuum line running from the tank straight into the carburetor inlet (he removed the carburetor). I just let it run and it kept running and running but the fuel level stayed the same. I got excited. The lawn-mower was running without a carburetor and getting tremendous efficiency."
see Tom Ogle carb.
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plates of stainless steel placed in either flat or concentric arrangements. (see the washers, on the right, for the simplest method) Gas production seems to vary as the inverse of the distance between them; the patents suggest a spacing of 1.5 mm produces satisfactory results.
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Was just kinda wondering if anyone has looked into the btu that would be needed to apply this to home heating and if it would be feasable. I'm a master electrician with a wide construction backround and this has caught my eye... you guys are headed in the right direction. Keep up the good work
Yes, It should be easily doable. For instance, any gasoline powered home generator could be converted to on-demand hydrogen. It is only that transportation is the big, environmentally most destructive, application right now.
However, if that seems easier to you, personally, than dealing with your car/vehicle, then, Yes, try that first. Go for it!
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Hey Bill,
Sounds like a dead short in your generator. Do you have any other electronics on it like a high frequency generator?
The first thing I would recommend is drainning the water, then maybe even rinse the generator with plain water for good measure. If it still blows the fuse when empty and dry, chances are that the plates are touching somewhere.
Do you know anyone with electrical skills that can help? Anyone that works on cars, air conditioning equip or refrigeration?
Good Luck
I am installing the HHO generators on my RV. It has a dodge 440-3. I have plenty of room for the jars, and everything. I even moved the battery over to below the steering column, so I have even more room. Here is my issue. I installed an inline fuse between the battery positive and the jar at the hydrogen collection point, and the negative to the other side of the jar. I put a 25 amp fuse in, and connected it. BAM, blew the fuse. Instantly. It did that to two more fuses. So, I stopped. What should I do now? I tried it without the fuse, and melted the wires in about 10 seconds.
Thanks,
Bill
It does sound like something very simple. . . . anyone?
I have built a hydrogen generator and installed it on my truck and appears to be working fine except for one problem. The difference in temperature between the generator tank and the bubbler tank while cooling overnight creates a suction or siphon affect and draws the water from the bubbler into the generator which causes a whole host of other problems. I feel the solution would be to install a check valve inline between the two, but I cannot find anything suitable. I have 1/4" vinyl tubing connecting them. I tried the medical supply trade as well as the hardware and automotive stores.
Could you offer any suggestions, if so will be greatly appreciated.
we did a google search on "buy a check valve for 1/4" vinyl tubing" and got of sources for pools and aquariums. Hope you found a good one.
I had a question?
Is what you're describing meant for a mix of hho and gasoline, or is it meant to be solely hydrogen?
Question. When I am generating my hydrogen gas in my canister and I add water, I think tap water is best, as the dissolved particles and the ions will conduct the most electricity. My questions is this: Should I dissolve NaOH in the water, or is that more problems than I would want (along with it being rather dangerous)?
Tap water has been explicitly mentioned many times. Quite the opposite, however, to avoid all impurities and use distilled water will avoid the minor problem of solid deposits accumulating in the water container. -ed
Is it possible that no one in the whole world was able to put a valid document on the internet on how to build a working generator and be able to finally start a car's engine on it??! It's been 10 years since they murdered Stanley! Come on!! I'm getting tired of all this guessing, someone heard this, someone heard that stories!! 10 years!!
I mean those of you who succeeded in doing it know that you can NOT make money on "your" "invention". You can only get a bullet in your head for that.. So please make available the data for the sake of the world!
We could not agree more! What we have posted here is the best we have been able to find, and it is not good enough...
A super-carburetor is another approach, which should be easier, (see Tom Ogle or John Weston) but seems even more complicated, unfortunately. ... either one could be accomplished by Detroit easily - if they were not "in bed" with the oil co.'s and everyone else maintaining the "status quo"$! But, for us, not quite so easy. ... and no one wants to talk, but ... see Ronn Motors, Dennis Klein, Francisco Pacheco, Stanley Meyer, and Daniel Dingel.
At this moment, (June 2010) we seem to be having better luck finding potentially good information from Tesla researchers. Tesla not only said tuned vibrations are the easiest way to break apart water, which confirms what we are trying to do here, but he also said a motor could be made strictly from magnets, and you can find a few YouTube videos of people successfully experimenting with that. Finally, Tesla said radiant electricity fills the cosmos; is everywhere available to power all the electrical devices we can build. He was about to build power stations that would provide it freely to everyone, when J. P. Morgan stopped funding him, and made sure no one else would either. ... and to think, there are still people today who believe "suppressed inventions" are a myth! . . . Tesla did get a patent on a way to get and use the radiant energy, electricity, around us, before he started construction on his tower, and a few, Ed Gray, John Bedini, and others, have succeeded. Bedini's seems the easiest and he does seem to be "sorta" giving it away. ... do google searches; we are.
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Hi
In first place thank you for the information you give on HOH
I was wondering if you could respond to this question if you know the answer,
I would like to put a electric generator running only on hydrogen
I also thought on putting a second bubbler but instead of water I think that maybe with gasoline, oil or oil misted with gasoline.
Thank you
Rui
running on hydrogen and running on gasoline vapor is 2 different things. The 2nd is called a super-carburetor.
For example Tom Ogle said "I was messing around with a lawn-mower when I accidentally knocked a hole in its fuel tank. I put a vacuum line running from the tank straight into the carburetor inlet. I just let it run and it kept running and running but the fuel level stayed the same. I got excited. The lawn-mower was running without a carburetor and getting tremendous efficiency." Read our Super Carburetor pages if you are interested in that.
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Hello. I'm from Israel. I mounted it fine. Thank you - but without the coil input current 6A. My next step - to mount the coil between the pulse generator and tubes. The coil is made of ferrite rod (length-8", diameter-3/8") and bifilar 21AWG 100 turns.
Thank you again .
Hi, I'm Italian and of course my English is not so good. Anyway I really would like to convert my car into water, but I'd like to see very simple plans that everybody could build in a easy way. I still haven't found it on the internet. Where it is possible to find it?
We keep looking, and put the best we have found right here. Some of our visitors comments below are very helpful also. -ed.
verry good
Thank you -ed
i think this is briliant
Hmm...I am positive your on the correct path. Everything is about the harmonization of frequencies, just as Telsa and all the great ones always knew, and that time iself only exists because we our ownselves are locked in step with a frequecy, just as the water is itself composed of vibrations which bond it together. So forgive me for saying this, but if time ends as the Mayans supposedly said it will, then, perhaps in this quest we will free our own selves from the slavery of time as we understand it. I have no doubt that Stanley Meyers was murdered. Only in the destruction of the masters by free exposure to the secrets of what Meyers uncovered will our own world be saved. We see now the oil volcano, and Goldman Sachs making billions off of bidding against BP. Yet again, we are asked to believe that no conspiracies exist, but where is justice, and where is the govcorp which still proclaims it belongs to us all? If Goldman Sachs stands to now own BP at a profit of 33 billion, then, Stanley was to be had on the cheap, which is just their style.
I have seen and read numerous articles on this subject using this concept and like to find someone or a company that would sell me several kits for my vehicles including my motorcycle. I can build the "generator canister" made out of electrical stainless wall plates myself, using a used automotive 12 volt coil from 20,000-80,000 volts,a solinoid for primary voltage to turn it on and a 0-16 volt,5 amp.rating rotary pot. I have built a higher current one that worked off a vacuum line - it wasn't worth the effort!! It didn't work that great.
thank you
tom duffy
I like the idea and have concerns that nobody writes in stating they are successful in their attempts to power an internal combustion engine. I will attempt the project on a vision of renewable energy but it would be nice if there were more people stating their success. Also I would like to know how to contact Mr. Daniel Dingel as I will be in the Philippines later this year.
I would like to finish off by saying that one negative electrical engineer can't be that smart and here is a quote from Einstein himself "The true sign of intelligence is not knowledge but imagination."
Thank you,
JDDD
Mr. Dingel lives in the Manilla area. take a look at our page on him and his invention as I believe it was even mentioned what area of the city he is from. I hope you get lucky - and can report back to us what you learn! -editor
I built the circuit and I am using a power supply that I cannibalized out of an old computer (which works perfect if you don't have access to a real one!). I am using 12VDC for the main power and the 5VDC for the throttle input to simulate the engine's throttle position sensor. This is run through the 100k pot. Is this right? I am generating a small amount of gas but for some reason the throttle is not controlling the duty cycle of the waves. I have the throttle signal going to pin 3 of the amplifier as in the diagram above. Does anybody have any ideas? Everthing else seems to be working OK so I must have something wrong at the throttle.
dear editor,
I have been interested in hydrogen powered vehicles for a number of years now. I like all the info on your site, and have some more to help some of your readers... I happened upon this site a few years ago, and have referenced it often: http://freeenergynews.com/Directory/WaterFuel/Cella/
I have built a few small generators already, and am slowly gathering parts to build one to completely power my car.
My only problem is that I have not been able to source information regarding how to introduce the hydrogen into the fuel injection/carburetor other than using a propane mixer as shown in the site that I mentioned. If anyone has this info, I would be very appreciative of any info regarding this
Thank you, Ralf
You are welcome. We saw the site you referenced some years ago and it is good that he is telling what he learned and did for free, but it still seems more complicated than the information we gathered here from other sources. There is information here about getting it into the combustion chamber.
Anyone interested might look at Cella's information for more ideas.
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What is a good price to pay for PWM.
Do I have to say its for a 12 volt DC system.
Hi, I have built a dry cell but have one problem. It will not cycle up through the resevoir and back down into the cell as it should. It instead expells hydrogen out of both the top and bottom hoses and fills the reservoir, therefore leaving the the cell dry. I have moved the reservoir higher and the base is now 20cm above the top of the cell. This cell is producing plenty of hydrogen at 13amps using KOH. A small amound of foam can be seen on the top of the water in the reservior also. Any comments or advice would be greatly appreciated. Regards Lindsay in OZ.
Hi thanks for all your work. I built a simple generator whilst in Canada using stainless pan scourers for cathode and anode. Used mother in laws preserve jars for generator and bubbler, I had a p.w.m. from the uk, it worked great on an old VW tdi Jetta, I drove from south Ontario to the north on 1/4 tank,I posted the info on another site how to make it and received letters telling me its not possible due to this law and that, when I left 6 months later it was still working great.
Dear friends,
I have been reading your articles with great interest, can any of you pls. tell me if you have finished building a hho generator and if it is actually saving fuel.
Best Regards,
Gormur
thank you for free informations.
It requires a volume of gas of hydrogen and oxygen to run the engine used by Dingel. A car battery can not sustain the needed volume in a few seconds if we base our calculations on the valence of hydrogen. How did he make it?
What do you think, people? Shall we tell him that his statements make no sense and the answer to his question is in the information above. -ed
when the electrolysis pulls 50A, the alternator power is 12Vx50A=600W, the energy waste will be typcally 50% efficiency loss of alternator and 50% efficiency loss of electrolysis. The energy waste due to water power is 75% x 600W = 450 W, its a bad idea
Wake up, Hans! You are not paying attention. -ed
During combustion of the engine hydrogen molecule will join with oxygen molecule to form water.......wont this have a reaction on the walls of the engine?
Water is a by-product and so the exhaust system is more of an issue and mentioned above. Daniel Dingel is the one person who has been running his car almost totally on water - for 30 years(!) and I did discover a note that he did have a problem with rust at first, but he overcame it. He used gas to start the car and then again for a moment before turning it off. See the page on Daniel Dingel
Note: Bruce Crower is adding steam, not just hydrogen, to his modified engine and he also solved the problem easily - more or less, the same way. See the article on his Steam-O-Lene engine
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This all looks very easy to build, I do have one question; that is the spacing for the generator. What is used for this? Will a plastic washer or rubber work for the spacing? Thanks
Yes, from some of the videos, I think you can see both plastic and rubber being used. -editor
Hi
The permittivity of 80.37 of water relates to dielectrics, capacitance,capacitive reactance,susceptance,electrostatics and non conductance. Reactance does not consume power. X=1/B
Electrolysis relies on conductance which is the reciprocal of resistance,which consumes power. G=1/R
Dielectric polarisation happens in an e.s field, a capacitor is an open circuit to DC. Xc=1/2 pi c ,no freq component.
All the best, Paree